Mikhailov was awesome but you never really got to see him play except international play
perception always plays a part and hardcore hockey folks thought Turgeon was both a giant pussy and an underachiever whose claim to fame was getting whacked by Dale Hunter. But, i definitely see your point and his numbers dictate a HOF vote... and totally agree that if Alfredsson and Turgeon aren't in the HOF then Hossa can't be a first ballot guy.Joke of a HOF when compared to the other 4 major North American sports.
How are these numbers a first ballot HOF, never finished in the top five voting for a major award, never won a cup
Joke of a HOF when compared to the other 4 major North American sports.
How are these numbers a first ballot HOF, never finished in the top five voting for a major award, never won a cup
GP
1346
G
564
A
785
PTS
1349
+/-
73
And these numbers never even gets a mention!?!? Finished once in the top five voting for a major award. Never won a cup. Both played the same position. Both played in the same era.
GP
1294
G
515
A
812
PTS
1327
+/-
139
a stacked line is Mario with Jagr and Stevens or with Jagr and Francis...not with Sakic/Iginlanever won a Cup? That's a nice to have but certainly not a must,cmon. You ddint mention his International accomplishments (trophies );
World Jr Gold (led the tournament in scoring )
2 time- Olympic Gold ( set-up Sid for the Golden goal )
World Cup of Hockey Gold- played on a line with Mario and Sakic--- FUCKIN STACKED LINE!!!!!
World Championship Gold
NHL Captain, elite power forward
Lester P Pearson Award (2002)- voted by nhl players as leaque mvp
Art Ross Trophy Winner - 2002
Maurice Richard Trophy- 2002, 2004
3-time NHL 1st team all-star
King Clancy Memorial Trophy- 2004
never won a Cup? That's a nice to have but certainly not a must,cmon. You ddint mention his International accomplishments (trophies );
World Jr Gold (led the tournament in scoring )
2 time- Olympic Gold ( set-up Sid for the Golden goal )
World Cup of Hockey Gold- played on a line with Mario and Sakic--- FUCKIN STACKED LINE!!!!!
World Championship Gold
NHL Captain, elite power forward
Lester P Pearson Award (2002)- voted by nhl players as leaque mvp
Art Ross Trophy Winner - 2002
Maurice Richard Trophy- 2002, 2004
3-time NHL 1st team all-star
King Clancy Memorial Trophy- 2004
perception always plays a part and hardcore hockey folks thought Turgeon was both a giant pussy and an underachiever whose claim to fame was getting whacked by Dale Hunter. But, i definitely see your point and his numbers dictate a HOF vote... and totally agree that if Alfredsson and Turgeon aren't in the HOF then Hossa can't be a first ballot guy.
I don't understand how Bondra is behind guys like Hossa as he was scoring 40-50 goals in the heavy defensive "left wing lock" era. IMO he was better than Hossa but is missing the cups and been snubbed for 10 years. Similar numbers in same era but adding physical domination is Keith Tkachuk...I believe Shanahan is the only other player with >500g, 500a, 2000pim and Shanny got in straight away